How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

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ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

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Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

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Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

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For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

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For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

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ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

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The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

Why do you think it is bad to allow people to self-identify as a different gender?

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

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For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Why do some men like anal sex?

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

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There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

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Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

Sain (a barber)

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

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ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

Kabir (a weaver)

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

CONCLUSION:

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

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That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

I am like a fish out of water,

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Now here in this verse

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

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ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

then who is there to know what happens without?

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

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Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥